{"id":5180,"date":"2014-11-30T13:23:12","date_gmt":"2014-11-30T13:23:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thedorseypost.com\/?p=5180"},"modified":"2014-11-30T13:23:57","modified_gmt":"2014-11-30T13:23:57","slug":"flow","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thedorseypost.com\/?p=5180","title":{"rendered":"Flow"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_5187\" style=\"width: 530px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/thedorseypost.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/11\/The-Path-28-Bill-Santelli-prismacolor-on-paper.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5187\" class=\"size-full wp-image-5187\" src=\"https:\/\/thedorseypost.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/11\/The-Path-28-Bill-Santelli-prismacolor-on-paper.jpg\" alt=\"The Path 28, Bill Santelli, prismacolor on paper\" width=\"520\" height=\"437\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thedorseypost.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/11\/The-Path-28-Bill-Santelli-prismacolor-on-paper.jpg 520w, https:\/\/thedorseypost.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/11\/The-Path-28-Bill-Santelli-prismacolor-on-paper-300x252.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 520px) 100vw, 520px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-5187\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Path 28, Bill Santelli, prismacolor on paper<\/p><\/div>\n<p>About a month ago, I spent a couple hours at our Barnes &amp; Noble&#8217;s Starbucks here in Pittsford talking with\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.billsantelli.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Bill Santelli<\/a>, a\u00a0local artist about my age\u00a0who is also represented at Oxford Gallery; he does some fantastic abstracts and sells more work than most artists I know, including me. We got onto the subject of being &#8220;an artist&#8221; as opposed to simply being a painter. I told him I&#8217;ve never wanted to be &#8220;an artist&#8221;;\u00a0I just want to paint. The idea of being famous or having some recognized role in the &#8220;art world,&#8221; either as a painter or a writer, feels odd, maybe even a little uncomfortable. I <em>like<\/em>\u00a0the feeling of producing satisfying work, but I feel at home in a sort of creative isolation, for some of the same reasons I avoided getting a degree in fine arts. I want to pick my influences. I still distrust much of what&#8217;s considered interesting now in the art world, as I was decades ago, and I belong to the school of thought that people become what they behold, or at least\u00a0<!--moreMORE-->tend to go along to get along, and if you hang out with certain types you&#8217;re more likely to pick up their habits.<\/p>\n<p>So instead of trying to be an artist, or figure out what that necessarily entails, I prefer to just focus on the act of painting and see if I can&#8217;t do it more effectively than I&#8217;ve done it in the past. I hope others notice, since who doesn&#8217;t want to do work that others want to buy or at least look at for a bit.\u00a0But it&#8217;s a secondary motive. Finishing a\u00a0painting properly is the main thing. Part of this aversion to being &#8220;an artist&#8221; in some social way, as opposed to just painting as best I can, is that it\u00a0brings certain assumptions with it: that you have to be an outsider, a little weird, a hipster, or these days maybe just\u00a0a shrewd marketer and\/or social media presence. It&#8217;s assumed that you have to be something other than just an otherwise ordinary, boring person with a\u00a0particular\u00a0skill. There&#8217;s also an implicit assumption that being creative gives you license to do things others aren&#8217;t allowed to do. As George Clinton observed during an interview on his book tour this past week, musicians are expected to be a bit nuts. In Clinton&#8217;s view, his own madcap qualities\u00a0expressed themselves\u00a0through\u00a0a proclivity for smoking cocaine. His talk-show host agreed that accountants\u00a0or insurance agents can&#8217;t make good art: though\u00a0one would have to figure out how to hammer square pegs like\u00a0Wallace Stevens and\u00a0Franz Kafka into that round hole of a definition. I don&#8217;t know whether or not Gauguin was a good stockbroker, but he started out as one. As was\u00a0Jeff Koons, though maybe that works against my argument.<\/p>\n<p>All the trappings of &#8220;being an artist&#8221; seem like a distraction to me. I&#8217;d rather just keep improving\u00a0my skill and see where it leads, without having to dress or behave a certain way while I do it. Or even call myself an artist. I paint with a certain obsessive dedication, though never, it seems, quite enough. I write about it, as well, not to become a big art critic, but to see if I can make some sense of what I&#8217;m doing in words.\u00a0I&#8217;d rather do my work, sell as much of it\u00a0as I can&#8211;as a way of making it possible to do more of it and prove that it means something to others. Even so, I write and paint in my little cloudy cul-de-sac\u00a0and go about my business without paying much attention to what&#8217;s\u00a0considered important in the field of art. I know what&#8217;s important to me. I&#8217;m happy to\u00a0put the work out there, in whatever way is possible, and let people like it or not, talk about it or ignore it, but I don&#8217;t feel the need to be a big part of <em>that<\/em> conversation, if there is one. On the other hand, Bill and I talked in some detail about strategies for getting work into a commercial NYC gallery and things we could do to help Jim Hall stir up more business for Oxford Gallery here, so I&#8217;m all for getting my work in view and making money from it. I think I would find it extremely odd to be interviewed about art or even have someone take my picture because of my art. I&#8217;d think, &#8220;How could I possibly be that interesting?&#8221; (As for why I&#8217;m\u00a0writing this, see above.) I rarely even post my\u00a0work on Facebook. I just don&#8217;t think most of my Facebook friends are interested, or necessarily should be. What matters to me is how it feels to overcome the resistance I feel every morning before I sit down to paint and how dramatically that changes when I actually make the first mark of the day on canvas, leading to a state of absorption where the hours flow, not too quickly and not too slow. Whatever that flow amounts to is, I think, at the heart of what people see\u00a0when they like something in one of my paintings. In an earlier post, I quoted Iris Murdoch about how an appreciation of beauty is one step toward becoming less self-centered, because insofar as you&#8217;re captured by something beautiful, you aren&#8217;t aware of yourself. To me that&#8217;s the ideal, to reach a state where you are so carefully building a painting that you forget you&#8217;re there and maybe lose track of who you think you are. Even though who you <em>actually<\/em> are is\u00a0precisely what you&#8217;re\u00a0revealing\u00a0in\u00a0every detail of \u00a0your work.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>About a month ago, I spent a couple hours at our Barnes &amp; Noble&#8217;s Starbucks here in Pittsford talking with\u00a0Bill Santelli, a\u00a0local artist about my age\u00a0who is also represented at Oxford Gallery; he does some fantastic abstracts and sells more work than most artists I know, including me. 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